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 Alpski šetrajnik ali alpski čober (Calamantha alpina)
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Alpski šetrajnik je do 25cm visoka rastlina, ki uspeva na bolj suhih kamnitih tleh od maja do septembra. Prepoznamo ga po kosmatem cvetu vijolične barve, ki raste s prav tako kosmatega čašnega lista. Cvetni listi so med seboj stisnjeni, le na vrhu so nekoliko narazen. 
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Cvetje ni pregledano s strani strokovnjakov/botanikov, zato so možne napake.
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jojoj     
19.1.2016
Neutrudnemu avtorju za številčen pejsaž fotografij rečem lahko le bravo.

Želel bi le dopolniti informacijo o tej rastlini.

Samo informativno ker živimo v obdobju, ko se v botaniki dogajajo znatni premiki poenotenja evropskih (državnih) botanik in botanike celega sveta.
Ta rastlina ima najmanj od leta 1999 (predzadnja izdaja Male flore Slovenije) uradno slovensko botanično ime alpski šetrajnik – Acinos alpinus (L.) Moench, kjer se priznava Calamintha alpina (L.) Lam. kot sinonim.
Od leta 2010 pa je po World Checklist of Selected Plant Families uvrščen kot Clinopodium alpinum (L.) Kuntze in so ostala evropska imena za isto rastlino priznana le kot sinonimi to so:
Acinos alpinus (L.) Moench
Faucibarba alpina (L.) Dulac
Calamintha alpina (L.) Lam.
Melissa alpina (L.) Benth.
Satureja alpina (L.) Scheele
Thymus alpinus L.

V vseh zgornjih primerih gre za isto rastlino, ki je v različnih literaturah različno razvrščena (kar je seveda povzročalo zmedo)
Kako se bo to odrazilo na uradno botanično prerazporejanje v Sloveniji, pa moramo počakati izid nove Male flore Slovenije. V vsakdanjem življenju tudi tistih, ki se ukvarjajo s floristiko pa še pozneje.
Ne želim reči, da je poimenovanje Calamintha alpina napačno, je pravilno, ni pa več uradno.
Vsekakor pa delim mnenje z veliko somišljeniki, da je za rastlinstvo v Sloveniji najbolje uporabljati imena po Mali flori Slovenije, samo zato, da bi bila zmeda čim manjša. Ni problemov, če ljudje po mili volji uporabljajo krajevno ustaljena imena v določenem okolišu. Problem nastane če se srečata, da povem po pesniško, prekmurc in primorc in vsak svojo godeta.
jojoj
zlatica     
20.1.2016
Jojoj, prosim še za eno pojasnilo na temo te rože. Ko sem šla pogledat v zadnjo, 4. izdajo Male flore Slovenije iz lanskega leta, sem našla pod 19. kot praviš Acinus alpinus -alpski šetrajnik in pod 20. Calamintha L. - čober in pod tem imenom seveda nič na temo alpski, čeprav naj bi bil to sinonim za šetrajnik. Katero slovensko ime je pa potem ustreznejše glede na našo literaro: šetrajnik ali čober, ker po MFS očitno to ni isto. Upam, da nisem nerazumljivo vprašala... lp
Apolonija     
20.1.2016
Tudi mene zanima jo-jojeva razlaga- Jaz si laično predstavljm, da so nekateri šteli Calamintha in Acinus za dva različna rodova, nekateri tudi (glede na sinonime) tudi za isti rod. Tako najdeš pri rodu Calamintha različne čobre, pri Acinusu pa tudi sinonim alpski čober. No zdal bo pa v rodu Clinopodum- Z današnjimi novimi genskimi raziskavami se marsikatere rastline na novo razvrščalo. To sem opazila že pri okrasnih rastlinah. Sicer pa je za nas, ljubitelje narave, najbolj pomembno, da vemo za katero rastlino gre, ko se sporazumevamo.
Apolonija     
20.1.2016
Spomnila sem se, da v rod Clinopodum spada navadna mačja zel(Clinopodium vulgare).
jojoj     
20.1.2016
Na kratko. Velja to kar je zapisano v Mali flori Slovenije. Ko bodo vse spremembe overjene in tudi potrjene na vseh inštancah vključno z DNK analizami, tako v botaničnem evroobmočju kot v Sloveniji sami, bo to vidno tudi v novi Mali flori Slovenije.
Torej za Slovenijo so uradna slovenska poimenovanja in latinski taksoni tista, ki so zabeležena v trenutno zadnji izdaji Male flore Slovenije. (pa pika.nasmeh)
Torej slovenski trenutni uradni nazivi so "še po starem": alpski šetrajnik Acinos alpinus.
Mogoče sem pri svoji razlagi šel predaleč z namenom povedati, da tudi v botaniki ni nič zapečateno za vedno, da se stvari z novimi dognanji spreminjajo. Oprostite moji nerodnosti. Informacije pa, ki sem jih podal so točne.
Ja apolonija saj po trenutni situaciji sta tudi tako razvrščena v Mali flori v dva različna rodova. (dokler ne bodo DNK analize dokončno tega ovrgle ali pa ne).
Upam, da sem bil tokrat bolj jasen.
Pa naj dodam še to, da je pri poimenovanju vrst čedalje bolj potrebno vedeti tudi stare sinonime, da se človek v poplavi nazivov ne izgubi.
jojoj     
20.1.2016
Na kratko. Velja to kar je zapisano v Mali flori Slovenije. Ko bodo vse spremembe overjene in tudi potrjene na vseh inštancah vključno z DNK analizami, tako v botaničnem evroobmočju kot v Sloveniji sami, bo to vidno tudi v novi Mali flori Slovenije.
Torej za Slovenijo so uradna slovenska poimenovanja in latinski taksoni tista, ki so zabeležena v trenutno zadnji izdaji Male flore Slovenije. (pa pika.nasmeh)
Torej slovenski trenutni uradni nazivi so "še po starem": alpski šetrajnik Acinos alpinus.
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Ja apolonija saj po trenutni situaciji sta tudi tako razvrščena v Mali flori v dva različna rodova. (dokler ne bodo DNK analize dokončno tega ovrgle ali pa ne).
Upam, da sem bil tokrat bolj jasen.
Pa naj dodam še to, da je pri poimenovanju vrst čedalje bolj potrebno vedeti tudi stare sinonime, da se človek v poplavi nazivov ne izgubi.
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